You are asking for it.....LOLNow here is my opinion of Liza, and JL's portrayal. The actress was woefully miscast. That simple. I like JL myself, but she is not Liza! While Liza was a bit of a tramp way 'back in the day', the Liza that left Pine Valley with Colby to protect her from Adam was no tramp. She grew up and evolved into a protective mother.While I don't think it is fair to heap all the crap onto JL's shoulders, the actress is not blameless either. Also, the crap that she is transitioning from Primetime to Daytime doesn't hold water after the first month. This is an iconic role that is intertwined in the fabric of Pine Valley. She should have done more homework to see if she was a good fit. the character of Liza is ALMOST 50!! JL sure isn't, and putting all dramatic license aside, that is a big leap of faith for the viewers much akin to Jed Allen playing Edward Quartermaine on GH. Jed was about the same age as the actor playing his son! Viewers weren't buying then, and they are not now with Liza.People would be willing to accept and suspend belief if the character was written true to character. Instead we were treated to Liza doing and saying things that were way off the chart and out of character, and with a younger face, it became impossible for viewers to accept that this is Liza. Luner should have been cast in a new, sexy role to mix it up with the Ryass crowd.The reason Karen Witter worked so well over at OLTL was that Karen is roughly the same age as Andrea Evans, and similar in appearance. What is important to note here is that Tina was written true to character. So, even though the face was different, the character was consistant and true. The exact same thing can be said for Bree Williamson taking over for Erin Torpey as Jessica. People were like 'Erin? OH NO, she can never be replaced!' Look now!What I really love about these boards, and about being an American, is our right to freely speak. AMC has a tough row to hoe in the next 8-10 months. I love reading the posts, even if they are a little venomous and repetitive, because they have passion.Welcome to the boards, Edward.

Hi Edward, Thank you for the compliment. I have never been called level headed before. IMO, JL was the wrong recast for Liza, and I do agree that there is a signicant age difference between her and Marcy Walker, but it hasn't helped that her storyline has been very lame. JL is best when she is being mean and nasty. It has taken quite awhile, but I think she is finally getting better. I like her and Tad together. Maybe working with Michael E. Knight will give JL just what she needs to bring Liza to life. We all know something needs to happen soon, because so far she has been so boring. I understand how coming into a role and having a hard time fitting in, I watch Days and Molly Burnett(Melanie), was so bad when she started, and now she steals the scenes. It has taken her about a year to shine and is hilarious to watch. I used to ff so quick when she is on, and even though her SL is pretty stupid right now, she makes it fun to watch. Great Job Molly! So maybe time will help JL just the same. We can only hope.And while we are at it about AMC, I really wish that there wasn't such a big deal made about Greenlee coming back. She is not that special and doesn't make the show any better by having her. I am more excited about Brooke and the others coming back than her. Greenlee is as bad as watching, Annie, Ryan, and Scott. I can't stand watching any of them anymore. I have almost given up on AMC, but I am sticking around to see the return of our beloved favorites. Then after that, we will see if I can continue to watch. If I have to be tortured by watching Annie, Ryan, Emma, and Scott much longer, it won't matter who is on. I will be done. So once again, Thank you Edward for the compliment. Hope everyone has a very Merry Christmas and a Safe Happy New Year!Teresa

Quote: To mrskaz - judging from your many posts (and forum topics) about Jamie's "vomit inducing portrayal" of Liza, I can only guess that either you've probably never been a fan of hers or that you haven't seen any of her other roles that she's played over the years. You, my friend, would go in the category of "never satisfied until she's gone - even if she talked with you one-on-one". In response to this I will say that you are right about one thing in you reference to me...I will not be satisfied until she is gone...and not because I dislike JL...I have seen her work before.... I like her as Lexie on MP and I liked some of her Lifetime movie roles, but IMHO, she just isn't cutting it on AMC...and that is MHO..Pratt/JL interviews didn't help...and I will admit to being a bit put off by those interviews..Pratt saying his Turbo was going to come in and teach those high schoolers how it's done was insulting and a joke considering those high schoolers seem to be carrying her through the scenes...but that's JMHO...From day one, it seems to me that JL has struggled..... she seems to have a hard time delivering her lines.....but again, that may be just me...This character is not Liza Colby... .That is on Pratt.... but JL just isn't bringing it like she did on MP or the Lifetime Movies...She seems to struggle with the dialog....She plays every scene like shes trying to have eye sex with everyone...I remember her first scene with Colby and thought... OMG, Fake Colby is carrying Fake Liza and that spoke volumes... Not to mention, Fake Liza giving her own daughter those, "Do Me Know Eyes".....JL did a good job on MP and other places, but I haven't seen that here...The writing isn't the only thing wrong with the character, but that is JMHO and the opinion of many others...If my post are venomous....so be it......Maybe that has a lot to do with the fact that Pratt and JL promoted her as the second coming....and they failed.....I blame 90% of this on Pratt and the other 10% on JL....She will do well in something else and she has done well, but she's just not cutting it here....Again... Just my venomous opinion.....

Edward, I have to admit that JL works better with MEK now that AMC has finally, long past time, decided to remember Tad and Liza's history and have her interact with him. I thought that JL was ok with VI, but doesn't work as well when she's in scenes with DM and DW because I see an age difference that takes me out of the memory of Liza as the girl who set up Jesse to be an attempted rapist in high school.

Having paid her a compliment, I have to say that JL needs to work on a few things: Liza had very little reaction to Colby being ripped apart by Annie on the stand a few days ago. Colby is Liza's daughter. I expect to see some outrage or compassion from Liza, and not the same facial reaction as she had when Annie questioned Erica or Ryan. Or that Zach had when Colby was being ripped apart. I need to see genuine maternal instincts, and not just towards baby Stuart. I've also yet to see one real tear come from JL. Scrunching your face until every muscle is distorted doesn't count.

I would LOVE it if JL would do something that Sabine Singh also admitted she never did when she played Greenlee: research Liza's history. Find out how Liza helped start Fusion, how she plotted against Tad and Dixie and slept with Tad in an attempt to break up their marriage, how jealous she was of Erica's beauty and career, particularly when Liza was married to Adam, how destroyed she was as a teen when she learned that Tad had bedded her mom, and again when Tad chose Krystal over her, and learn how Liza once ran WRCW as well as Chandler Enterprises when she took it over with Tad. Right now, JL is playing a character with no connection to Liza's past, except that occasionally she says that she was married to Adam (she actually married him 3x because theirs was a great love story, once upon a time) and that Colby was conceived in a clinic and Jake was supposed to be her father. I get the impression that's all that Pratt told her about the character, and with Pratt telling all of the cast that what their characters did in the past doesn't matter anymore, per SOD, that's not a good thing. I recall when Sabine Singh admitted into a microphone at a Fan Club Luncheon that she intentionally never learned anything about RB's Greenlee, never watched her and didn't know much about her history, and there were murmurs in the audience because that? Is not what soap fans who value history and have long memories about Pine Valley's characters want to hear.

Until JL grasps that she's not creating a new Liza, but playing Colby's mom, Marian's daughter, Stuart's step-daughter, Adam's ex-wife three times over who once thought he was her soulmate and knight in shining armor, a former vixen who had no problem breaking up Tad and Dixie's marriage, and a businesswoman with a shark-like approach to finance and the world--and inject some of this into her current performance, she's not going to work for me at all. JMO

Hello Edward & welcome aboard.I'm staying out of this forum other that checking a couple of time a week. I seem to say things wrong. I might mean something one way but it comes out wrong....anywayAll I have to say about JL is your are right. She is real good & I like her, but she should not have been cast as Liza. Casting messed up.I check out AMC regular hoping to see someting good. I am hoping that once old scripts are run out (from Pratt) someone will come along & take over who will bring AMC back to life.It will be a slow & painful process but I will stay tuned waiting. Years ago I was very sick & AMC, OLTL & GH kept my spirits up. Those 3 hours gave me something to look forward too everyday..I feel I owe those actors something, so I keep hoping & waiting. I do believe that for the good of the show JL must go. Not because of her acting but simply because she just isn't Liza. I hope someone picks her up. I hate to see anyone jobless...

Quote: To cararn - Not quite as venomous in your posts as mrskaz, but I understand your frustration. I do like your Notre Dame analogy. I don't think you should put all that much blame on Jamie for her portrayal. We're talking about an actress who's transitioning from working on prime time soaps and dramas to doing a daytime drama. As with many crafts (acting, sports, etc.), there's a tremendous learning curve involved for someone when they haven't had any exposure to that genre before. I recall a radio interview of a daytimer that mentioned having to memorize something like 60 pages of lines as opposed to 6 -8 pages for a weekly drama. That would be similar to a college athlete jumping to the pros.Edward, I agree and disagree about your opinion of Jamie Luner. She and Pratt are equally to blame for the debacle that is Liza. I agree with SOD and Paul, JL is horribly miscast as Liza. In one of her interviews she stated she was given this role after talking with her good friend Pratt. I wonder how it came about she was given this role. Was there ever any discussion about her suitability to play Liza? Or was she offered this job because she was out of work? AMC does have a casting director doesn't it? was she bypassed?I too saw her in other roles and it's JMHO, but she's a mediocre actress with limited range. Her squinting is disconcerting..is she trying to read the teleprompter? Does she need contacts? Or is she trying to figure out how to react to the other actors' words? Her words and delivery are stilted and emotionless. In addition, her admission about not watching any of Marcy Walker's work to me was unprofessional and arrogant and I suspect was also dictated by Pratt who didn't give a rat's behind about the show's history or character integrity.She cannot make this role her own because of the blatant disregard for history. There is not one shred of the magnificent Marcy Walker's portrayal of Liza.If you want levelheadedness I invite you to come to the CTU(that's cardiothoracic unit to you) where I work taking care of patients that have just had open heart surgery. But here you are going to get my less venomous frustrated spewing of AMC until they hire a head writer that respects character integrity, show history and develops a moral codeSo I agree with whomever said JL needs to go. She needs to take Melissa Claire Egan with her too.Now that I've said my peace, by all means lend me your thoughts.BTW, in this instance, peace, is spelled piece!- Edward Cara

Cararn....You Rock!!!!!Excellent post...I especially love and completely agree with this:::: Quote:So I agree with whomever said JL needs to go. She needs to take Melissa Claire Egan with her too. I would love to see both of Pratt's pet out the door...JL just doesn't fit as Liza.....and Annie is unredeemable...more of a freaky cartoon character than anything now.....

Paul, you are right...I am asking for it. But that's because, as stated before, I am just a lurker as opposed to a regular viewer of AMC.With that said, I must agree that a month should've been long enough for Jamie to get up to speed on the nuances of the daytime drama. Hopefully, she has already done what I had suggested in my original posting and that everyone will see the fruits of that labor ASAP.You're also spot on with the comparisons mentioned in your post. There's an old saying about trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and the more I'm reading these posts from fans of AMC, the more I can see that Jamie fits this particular addage.Jamie Luner trying to play this role is akin to me taking over Eric Braden's spot as Victor Newman on Y&R. There's no way, no how, no cow that it would be believable - not even in Wonderland.

Teresa, truer words couldn't be said. a person of Michael's caliber can only make Jamie a better actress in general and a better daytimer in particular. I have a sneaking feeling that he gave Jamie some much-needed "homework" - namely look through some footage of Marcy's potrayal of Liza and learn from it.You are definately right on another front...she doesn't have much time to deliver the goods. AMC's in much worse shape, fanbase and storyline wise than DOOL when Molly became Melanie (just my own observation from the posts I've seen, etc.).I won't get into the importance (or non-importance) of Greenlee's return. That's not for me to say, given my limited knowledge of the show (as you can see, I'm like Jamie in that I'm not afraid to be honest with my answers).Thanx for your kind words and I hope you have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

mrskaz - Let me first say that I meant no disrespect about your opinion. I can see that you're a very passionate person, especially when it involves AMC.Make no mistake, Pratt's statements about the cast being likened to "high schoolers" is as bad as I've seen out of anyone - maybe he should run for office. After all, I've heard politicians make those kind of insults on a daily basis.His promoting Jamie as the "second coming" didn't help matters one bit. The last thing you should do to an actor/actress is promote them as the second coming of anything. Nothing good usually comes out a statement like that...ever.Believe me, I never implied that Jamie was without fault for her portrayal. (loved your "Do You Know Me" bit) She should've done her homework (as well as her agent - please tell me Jamie that you're NOT your own agent!) and probably should've told Pratt to cast her as a different person or turn him down altogether.Again, thank you for your constructive criticism and your passion. Don't hold back...AMC needs you more than they think.-Edward

Gator...there was something in your post that said it all about Jamie's current role that is sorely missing - "I've yet to see one real tear come from JL."The thing that had me hooked on seeing Jamie Luner was the way she portrayed Peyton Richards on "Savannah". Yes, she was a devious woman, but she was a very complex character that did show a variety of emotions, including the occasional tears. She was the reason I watched that show every week and the reason I was so sad when the WB cancelled it.I wish I was Jamie's agent instead of the person who is serving as her agent (please, Jamie, tell me you're NOT your own agent!) when it came to doing that interview. One of things that I love about her, but I have to say is also one of her biggest faults, is that she sometimes is TOO honest with her answers.If I was there with Jamie, I would've taught her about when to speak your mind and when to keep things to yourself. Having run for political office, I've been in her position (obviously not her shoes...I mean, heels - Lord knows, my feet wouldn't fit in them!) and learned that painful lesson many times and would love to be able to talk to her about that firsthand someday (not to mention about other things we have in common).Like I posted earlier, I believe Michael probably gave Jamie some "homework" - namely researching Liza's history. I sincerely hope she turns things around soon. Otherwise, she may wind up leaving Pine Valley sooner than later.Thanx for your comments - keep them coming, and have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.-Edward

mygoodness, thank you for the welcome. Like you, I've been known to sometimes put the proverbial foot in mhy mouth, too.Painful as it is for me to say (given my love for Jamie as an actress and a person), I have to agree with you...for the good of AMC, she probably needs to go - maybe not permanently, but perhaps on hiatus so they can retool her as a different character - but definately not as Liza.This is not to say that I don't think she can salvage things, just being realistic. I'm sure if it comes to that, Jamie will be back on the job somewhere.Thanx for the comments, keep them coming. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.-Edward

Cara, let me first say that I meant no disrespect when it came to your comments. I would defer to the people from SOD/SOW as far as the casting director question goes.As I stated before, I'm just a lurker when it comes to AMC. I can't speak to Marcy's portrayal (although I remember her from her days on Santa Barbara), but I'll defer to you on that front.As I posted earlier, what you believed to be unprofessional on Jamie's part when she said that she didn't watch Marcy's portrayal I believe is just a case of her being TOO honest with her answers.By the by Cara, thanx for the invite to your world of the CTU. I just might take you up on that offer in the future, as it surely takes a special person to work in that area of expertise.Again, thanx for your passionate opinion about Jamie and AMC, keep them coming. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Cara.-Edward

I am a little late to this thread but I see my name was mentioned up front - though it's been so long, I have no idea what my orignal comments were that you were commenting on.That said, after all these months, I am continually under-impressed by Jamie Luner. I have seen her in other things and while I can't say I was ever a fan, I don't remember feeling so antagonisitic before. Her face does not move (did she have some botox or plastic surgery), her eyes still squint (though to a lesser degree there) and she still seems overwhelmed by all the dialogue. I will give her the fact that the writing has not helped anyone - least of all Liza. As an attorney, she has been involved with so many cases that are complete conflicts of interests and so therefore make no sense whatsover. She was actually AT the mansion during Stuart's murder - but somehow was never a suspect, even though she tampered with evidence..but still managed to work for Adam, Annie, Scott and Kendall at times. Aditionally, she ran after Zach, the husband of her client all summer and then announced to Kendall that the difference between the two of them was that she - Liza- had integrity. Now she gets dirty pictures of the DA whilch means all of a sudden she is a possible candidate for DA. HUH?? Okie dokie.I do have mixed feelings on whether or not an actress should watch previous tapes of former actresses who portrayed her part. I get why you want to start clean and not physically see your predessor - but at the same time, someone needs to give you a basic AMC character history or there is no reason to be a re-cast, you might as well just play a new character.Regardless, I see some chemistry with Michael E Knight that I have not seen with anyone else - though the age difference and the plot lines are completely ridiculous. However, this as many have pointed out - is not Liza. The fact that Jamie is just a mediocre actress at best - at AMC - is not helping her case. IMO.

Kathy, great post...I want to comment on something from your post that I've seen others talk about, including myself...JL not watching old tapes of the "REAL" Liza played by MW...I don't think I need the recast of a character to watch the original actor/actress who played the role, so much as I need them to do their homework on who/what that character is...I need the recast to understand the ins & outs of the character and his/her history with the show & the other characters....Pratt created an entirely new character and strapped on the name Liza.....JL is playing this version of Liza as a new character and that helped her bomb big time..I don't need a recast to mimic the original, but I do need them to have an understanding of that character....and niether Pratt nor JL wanted or did that...Sometimes I have a bit of a problem explaining what I mean so I hope you all can understand...I've seen lots of recast in daytime.... some on AMC and most have failed, but I also see success stories...AM is the best recast I can think of ..... SMG played Kendall and I liked her, but never really loved her.....AM came on and she was Kendall..... She knew the history of Kendall, especially in regards to those on the show....not to mention she is extremely talented....she made Kendall her own and I will never accept anyone else in the role, but that's just me...AM didn't attempt to mimic SMG, she played it her way with the knowledge of who Kendall was/is...Sort of like LW as Carly.... She's a great recast....she knows the history and used it...but she isn't mimicing the other actresses who played the role..I think it's too late in the game to have JL find out who/what the Real Liza was because too much has happened.....They went from Pratt wanting sex kitten/vixen Liza who gave everyone, including her daughter those do me eyes..... sex on a poker table, trying to hump Zach's leg for months, faking a pregnancy, stealing a baby only to dump the baby off once she got what she wanted, Colby back home, then after all that we are supposed to buy her as a mother, a lawyer, a friend of Tad????I just can't....but that's just me..There are a lot of characters who have suffered under Pratt's pen..,...and a lot who just can't be fixed....but JL just isn't the right fit and, like I said, I think its way too late in the game to attempt to fix it now...

Edward, I was not offended by your comments.I am highly frustrated by AMC and it's poorly written shows.What bothers me greatly is that with Guiding Light(GL) and As The World Turns (ATWT) both being cancelled within a year, and the poor performances by the ABC soaps, I feel that a part of our culture is being chipped away little by little and no one is doing much to save it or they don't know what to do.AMC has suffered this past year the greatest under Pratt and Esenten and Brown before him. What is aggravating and frustrating about it is, it was allowed to suffer and flounder by Frons and at the eleventh hour he decides to move it to LA when its biggest problem was Pratt.Moving won't solve it's problems. Then after ATWT was cancelled the man had the gall to say they cared about their soaps at ABC. I wouldn't have let my dog suffer the way he made the show suffer this past year. Adding to these frustrations are, the the miscasting of Liza, the effrontery of Pratt to neuter Adam, an iconic character, for the sake of putting a third string character Annie in the forefront by disrespecting not only civil law and the intelligence of the fans, but every soap opera rule of Doug Marland.As for Jamie Luner, I respect you are fan, but even if I was, I can see she is ill cast in this role and I do not appreciate the fact she chose not to at least know something about the part she was to play.I mentioned this many posts ago about her , but I would hope that if she ever got a movie part to portray a historical character, that she would do some research into the character's history before taking on the role. It's a professional thing to do. If she did maybe then she could defend her position.

Jamie Luner is playing a character, but it sure isn't Liza Colby.They should have brought her in as a new character instead of Pratt being allowed to make a mockery of the role