Quote:When I read the topic, I thought to myself, "AMC should be ashamed about so many things. Which one or ones are we discussing now?"Ratings continue to be abysmal. I admit I tuned in for James Mitchell's/Palmer's memorial episode and then I tuned out again. There's nothing on the show for me now. AMC has to stop (I mean, right this second) hiring fan faves to show up for a week or a few days, and start writing better story for the characters they have. No more stunt casting. Kate Collins is great, but 8 episodes of Crazy Janet, knowing she's in and out, ain't gonna do it for me. A week of Dixie, which only highlighted that she's dead and not coming back, was disheartening. A day of Daisy and Nina is nice, but it's not anything AMC can build on, and all the talk of a Cortlandt/Chandler corporate war is nice and all, but AMC hasn't done one decent corporate storyline in years and years, and I'm not holding my breath now. The current Fusion story is Erica vs. Greenlee, motivated more by external factors than the company itself. It's so basic and simple: Don't have two or three characters hog airtime. (Hi, Greenlee, David and Ryan!) Do write romance. Not just sex, but actual love. JR and Annie aren't in love, they're in heat. Jack and Erica are good, but we've heard their conversation over and over again, and their love scene was off-camera. Jesse and Angie have no storyline except to nuzzle each other in a park. Forgive me if I'm not believing all the promos in the magazines about them finally having their own central story. I've heard that before over the course of 18 months, and it's all a load of hooey. David and Greenlee aren't in love with each other. Their partnership is based on witchiness and villainy, which is fine, but that's not lead actor stuff. That's supporting material while the leads are playing the characters who deal with the dastardly deeds and try to stop them. And because it can't be said enough, AMC needs another lead actor and lead actress on the show because what they have? Ain't working. Alicia Minshew will return in a few months and that will help, but AMC has to do all it can to get Thorsten Kaye back because his antihero who is complicated enough to also be a passionate husband and a devoted dad is sorely missing from the show. AMC needs Zach and Kendall back. When you barely have any couples on AMC, and those you have, either aren't in love or aren't allowed the honor of getting intimate on-screen, you sure don't have Love in the Afternoon. When I first posted the topic it was in relation to the anemic send off they gave to David Canary. I was aggravated that the show spent precious minutes that should have belonged to David Canary on scenes with the disgusting JR/Annie storyline, the villains Greenlee and David and even minutes wasted with Erica and Jack. Mr. Canary spent twenty-seven years on AMC giving every single scene he played everything he had. He never disappointed. I had the pleasure of meeting him many years ago, not at a fan event, but elsewhere.He was every bit as gracious and urbane as you would imagine him to be. I was a young, very young college student and called him Adam over and over,because I could not for the life of me remember his name and said so, but he never told me his name. He continued to speak with me for a few moments and I was hooked forever. He deserved to have a more substantial send off considering that the characters that soaked up his airtime, would be on the show for the forseeable future. Unfortunately!I guess we got off topic because AMC in general does have a lot to be ashamed of. This was just one small fish I guess in a sea of shame for this show.

"I guess we got off topic because AMC in general does have a lot to be ashamed of. This was just one small fish I guess in a sea of shame for this show."For me the non send off for Adam/ David C was a a big fish to be ashamed of.. if they said today that AMC is over I would feel bad but I would understand and get over it. I had high hopes that the new folks would come in and save the show but now my hope is gone.

Quote:When I read the topic, I thought to myself, "AMC should be ashamed about so many things. Which one or ones are we discussing now?"Ratings continue to be abysmal. I admit I tuned in for James Mitchell's/Palmer's memorial episode and then I tuned out again. There's nothing on the show for me now. AMC has to stop (I mean, right this second) hiring fan faves to show up for a week or a few days, and start writing better story for the characters they have. No more stunt casting. Kate Collins is great, but 8 episodes of Crazy Janet, knowing she's in and out, ain't gonna do it for me. A week of Dixie, which only highlighted that she's dead and not coming back, was disheartening. A day of Daisy and Nina is nice, but it's not anything AMC can build on, and all the talk of a Cortlandt/Chandler corporate war is nice and all, but AMC hasn't done one decent corporate storyline in years and years, and I'm not holding my breath now. The current Fusion story is Erica vs. Greenlee, motivated more by external factors than the company itself. It's so basic and simple: Don't have two or three characters hog airtime. (Hi, Greenlee, David and Ryan!) Do write romance. Not just sex, but actual love. JR and Annie aren't in love, they're in heat. Jack and Erica are good, but we've heard their conversation over and over again, and their love scene was off-camera. Jesse and Angie have no storyline except to nuzzle each other in a park. Forgive me if I'm not believing all the promos in the magazines about them finally having their own central story. I've heard that before over the course of 18 months, and it's all a load of hooey. David and Greenlee aren't in love with each other. Their partnership is based on witchiness and villainy, which is fine, but that's not lead actor stuff. That's supporting material while the leads are playing the characters who deal with the dastardly deeds and try to stop them. And because it can't be said enough, AMC needs another lead actor and lead actress on the show because what they have? Ain't working. Alicia Minshew will return in a few months and that will help, but AMC has to do all it can to get Thorsten Kaye back because his antihero who is complicated enough to also be a passionate husband and a devoted dad is sorely missing from the show. AMC needs Zach and Kendall back. When you barely have any couples on AMC, and those you have, either aren't in love or aren't allowed the honor of getting intimate on-screen, you sure don't have Love in the Afternoon. Gator, what an amazing, insightful, on target post....ITA will all you stated in your post....Bringing in fan favs for a few days doesn't help.... Either find a way to keep them long term or don't bring them back at all...We want to invest in the show, get excited again, but how can we when we know that characters like Brook, Dixie, Janet are only around for the short, short term...I was dying to see a great corporate s/l, like they used to do, like Y&R seems to be able to do, but that hasn't happened for years.... I remember when TK/Zach first took over Cambias, what a missed opportunity..... TK/DC would have rocked...Zach vs Adam... Instead we got Zach babysitting Frons fav characters that suck for the most part...The Erica vs GL thing is vomit inducing at best, insulting to SL talents at worst.... Erica shouldn't be rivals with a selfish child..... They need a grown up to go against Erica..Fusion has been a mess for years... It's become the dumping ground for useless waste characters when they don't know WTH to do with them....GL & Ryass dominate the show and suck the life out of it, while Jesse, Angie are barely seen.... and that is just ridiculous...Romance & love in the afternoon went out the door years ago... If finally disappeared completely, in Dec, when Zendall left...Now, it's just sex.... No romance, no love, just cheap, sleazy porn type sex.....and that is not what daytime fans want...MEK, DW, VI are leading men, but they are not in the same league as DC......no offense..AMC is lacking a great strong, romantic lead character who is gray, not just black or white.... TK/Zach fit the bill to a tee, but sadly he's gone and his last few years wasted on miserable, destructive writing...AM/Kendall is returning, but for what... Frons wants her to be another Erica....which as brought about anger from tons of fans, because this is not Kendall...WTH wants to tune in for another round of that..I love AM/KEndall, but I do not want to watch Kendall being GL lap dog, Ryass cheerleader, all the while making her way to husband #12.....Instead of giving the fans an intriguing, exciting s/l for Kendall's return.. like Zach is persumed dead, Kendall returns to take back what was taken from Team Slater and wiping the floor with those who hurt her family, starting with Ryass & the vile green gnat..... A strong independent woman, standing on her own, fighting her own battles.....then later finds love again, or better yet, Zach comes back to life... (I will never accept Kendall with anyone, but Zach....but I do understand if he doesn't come back that they will find her a new love) just hate that this is what is going to happen..AMC is a red hot mess of garbage...Jamanda's s/l is a joke... Sure, it will be great to see KC/JFAP, but why bother for only 8 days...I'm sick to death of GL, Ryass, Annie sucking the life out of the show..Sick to death of no Romance, love in the afternoon, characters that make my skin crawl.....but this is what Frons continues to push....I hate to say it again, but I truly believe that these are the last days of AMC......and Frons & his pets are the reason...

The saddest thing about soaps these days is that the shows have lost the trust of their audience. AMC is one of the worst in this regard. Time and again, fans clamored for certain things and showed our loyalty when given a chance, only to have it thrown back at us for whatever reason du jour. Poisoned pancakes. Unbelievable sexual encounters. Lesbians who were straight. Sisters having inappropriate babies. Destruction of beloved characters with no intention of rectifying the situation. Really terrible stories. I mean, just awful. Finally, we seemed to lose our passion for the show. Lost our trust, and actually started to leave with the actors and battered characters we still loved. We actually realize a show has a responsibility to all of it's audience. But it is interesting that AMC in particular, seemed to take enormous pleasure in alienating their biggest fans, almost to the point of throwing rotted tomatoes at us. Then they handed us the blame for the failure of the show. The fans and the actors got blamed for the mistakes of the writers and tpb who supported them! Few believe in the show anymore, but for good reason. We've cleaned the tomato off, and moved on to other things. It really seemed they didn't want us anymore anyway, so why invest in a show that didn't care if we were participating or not? Until, evidently, it became obvious that the numbers of those leaving were bigger than anticipated. I must say that I was loyal to AMC far longer than they were to me. But loyalty that isn't cherished will die. I sat through more disappointments through the years than I care to think about, but I loved the show and stayed with the good and the bad. I don't feel obligated to do that with AMC anymore. They took what I loved and have left nothing for me to care about. I still watch GH and OL sometimes, I haven't stopped watching all togther. But AMC has used and abused me for the last time. Until they make some big changes, I'm gone. I don't see that happening though. I feel they don't realize how disconnected they are.

Quote:The saddest thing about soaps these days is that the shows have lost the trust of their audience. AMC is one of the worst in this regard. Time and again, fans clamored for certain things and showed our loyalty when given a chance, only to have it thrown back at us for whatever reason du jour. Poisoned pancakes. Unbelievable sexual encounters. Lesbians who were straight. Sisters having inappropriate babies. Destruction of beloved characters with no intention of rectifying the situation. Really terrible stories. I mean, just awful. Finally, we seemed to lose our passion for the show. Lost our trust, and actually started to leave with the actors and battered characters we still loved. We actually realize a show has a responsibility to all of it's audience. But it is interesting that AMC in particular, seemed to take enormous pleasure in alienating their biggest fans, almost to the point of throwing rotted tomatoes at us. Then they handed us the blame for the failure of the show. The fans and the actors got blamed for the mistakes of the writers and tpb who supported them! Few believe in the show anymore, but for good reason. We've cleaned the tomato off, and moved on to other things. It really seemed they didn't want us anymore anyway, so why invest in a show that didn't care if we were participating or not? Until, evidently, it became obvious that the numbers of those leaving were bigger than anticipated. I must say that I was loyal to AMC far longer than they were to me. But loyalty that isn't cherished will die. I sat through more disappointments through the years than I care to think about, but I loved the show and stayed with the good and the bad. I don't feel obligated to do that with AMC anymore. They took what I loved and have left nothing for me to care about. I still watch GH and OL sometimes, I haven't stopped watching all togther. But AMC has used and abused me for the last time. Until they make some big changes, I'm gone. I don't see that happening though. I feel they don't realize how disconnected they are. Thank you for this complete and succinct post about the state of soaps these days. I think the trust issue is very much in evidence probably to the surprise of ABC daytime. When I knew Zach and Kendall were leaving, I said I wasn't going to watch anymore, and I haven't except for Palmer's memorial, and David Canary's last episode. Anytime in the past when favorite character's left or died I always made idle threats,if Jenny dies I'm not watching anymore. If Cliff and Nina leave, I'm done, if they break up Jack and Erica again I'm gone. Idle threats all. Not so this time and apparently there are many others who said goodbye when Zach and Kendall left, when Bianca was destroyed with that inappropriate baby you mentioned etc, etc, and they haven't come back. If AMC wasn't aware of this then they wouldn't have had those 'Come home to AMC' promos when they moved to LA.There is one other thing that hasn't been mentioned and that is the demos. AMC is trying to cater to the 12-17 year old demo Why? No bash intended toward that age group, I watched when I was between thoses ages but...a poster asked why there have been no corporate storylines especially between David and Zach. Well my supposition is because of that age group. What does that age group know or comprehend or care about Goldman Sachs, AIG buy outs etc, corporate trading, trade caps, trade deficits. I barely understand them. This age group knows about how much it costs to download, upload whatever, to their MP3's that's about it. The only thing that might get their attention in a storyline like this is if someone is getting boinked in front of the water cooler. Sorry but a sixteen year old wouldn't care about coporate takeover unless this was included. My niece even said so.Look at the latest..I hear David bought the hospital. Did he buy it because he's a superb physcian and cares about his patients? Did he buy it because he doesn't know how the new health care reform bill will affect delivery of care? When did the state medical board vote on this? when did the state approve the transfer of licenses, etc, etc. All of this was done to give David another vehicle in which to torture Angie and Jake. I'm not watching that. Stop insulting my intelligence. Run the hospital realistically. Run Fusion realistically. Why isn't Greenlee in jail for sabotaging the company? Is her rivalry with Erica the best they could do for a corporate storyline? I guess it caters to the 12-17 age group because it's written on that level.AMC if you want us to come home, give us a reason to come home.

I totally agree. These demos about "Rediscovering AMC in 2010" or "Come Home to AMC" are nothing but complete total jokes. And what's worse is they have another campaign for the May sweeps and they are trying to convince us that Jackson & Erica are going to find their love for each and reunite....but we all know that AMC has already announced that Michael Nouri will be Erica's new man. What a slap in the face this is for all the fans. I'm so sick of this back & forth between Erica and Jackson...it's been going on for years and years.....frankly we've all lost interest because this story is overused and old.The whole let Greenlee & David torture the whole town idea is just a waste of time, energy and talent for the two actors. Try redeeming these characters so that the hatrid that the fans have for them can do a 180. Speaking of David buying the hospital to torture Angie & Jake....well, I think it would be more for Angie than Jake, since Jake never spends any time at the hospital. We're supposed to buy that he's a doctor, but he spends 95% of his time running around with Ryan or hovering over Amanda at Fusion.I could talk all night about all the other stupid storylines that are currently running on AMC, but what's worse is, I don't think I even care to talk about it anymore....I've stopped watching, after about 25+ years of being a strong supporter....and I, like so many others have stuck around for a lot of things that upset me, but I find what's been airing recently is too much for me to bare. I will keep supporting Y&R & OLTL...with an occassional viewing of GH....but as far AMC goes, they have some major issues that they need to address before I think about returning. Time to take the blinders off and fix the mess that has been made of what was once the crown jewel of ABC daytime.

It is an outrage the way the show wrote Adam Chandler off the show, played by David Canary a 27 year veteran and five time Emmy winner. Adam, a strong core character should have been given a fitting s/l instead of a quick poorly developed hook up with Brooke English and sent off the screen. At the very least I was hoping for some more flashbacks connecting these characters through the show

You hit the nail right on the head, Diva. I agree totally with you. The way AMC threw that storyline with Adam & Brooke together was just sickening....and then to just dismiss a character such as Adam Chandler in the manner that they did was just jaw dropping. I kept thinking to myself, there has to be more than this!! Adam leaving without saying goodbye to his family? His son? His grandson?! Give me a freaking break. And I agree, they could have at least threw in some much needed clips from all of his 27 years, but they were few and far between.

Seems like to me, this move to CA has done nothing but bring on more disappointing stories, spilled over from when they were finishing up in NY. And I, like you haven't seen or read in storyline that's coming in the future, that is of any interest to me. They have absolutely no couples that I root for, with the exception of Angie & Jessie.....and they neglect this iconic couple on a daily basis. What's the point of bringing back a super couple, such as Angie & Jessie and not give them anything to do?

And I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that feels the way you do about Jake & Amanda. I haven't been buying these two, for quite some time. AMC has done a horrible job with the handling of Amanda. First they had her hopping from JR's bed to David's bed to Jake's bed...and I think Jamie was somewhere in that mix too.....Then this rushed romance and marriage of Jake & Amanda. Did they even have a wedding? A honeymoon? Or Anything? Sometimes I forget these two are even married. And then when TPTB start to hear that the fans aren't happy with the lack of romance between these two....they throw a few scenes together of these two making out in front of everyone at Fusion for a few minutes here and there, and we as fans are supposed to be happy with that. I guess that's their definition of Love in the Afternoon.

I have a bad feeling that when they do bring Kendall back, she is going to follow in her mother's footsteps, which is so pathetic, a 60-something year old woman that is still so confused about the matters of love. Plus, I'm sure they are going to have Kendall chasing after Greenlee, begging for her forgiveness, which is absolutely ridiculous. I am still not over how they screwed the fans over with having Zach confess to Greenlee that he doesn't love Kendall the same way he used to....I wanted to pick up my television and throw it. Just another slap in the face that AMC had to throw in their fans' faces. I have a feeling that TK probably doesn't want to come back, and it's not because of the travel....I think he's probably sick of the BS material that he continually received. Always having to play second fiddle to the disgusting Ryan Lavery. I don't blame him for not going along with that. As it stands now, though, having TK come back is the only glimmering hope of chance to survive AMC has.

ABC might as well, use OLTL's old studio, and start up a spinoff of AMC called Pigeon Hollow. Get Erica, Angie, Jessie, Tad, Opal, Kendall, Zach, JR & Frankie to head back to NY...then let a major Tornado come through PV and kill the remaining cast members.

ITA with everything you said...The move to LA seems to be a major bust... Not just because of the loss of two of the most talented actors in daytime history, David C & Thorsten K, but because the writing still sucks... They continue to shove the most hated & useless characters in daytime down our throats, and the focus is still on the wrong things..I also want to add that "Stunt" Casting/storylines, whatever you call them, is BS..and has never worked...I love JFAP... Love Kate Collins, but she's coming on for 8 episodes... so why bother.....All this is going to do is showcase why Annie is even more useless then before... JFAP is the psycho we love to see..... Annie just a one-note joke...I love Julia Barr.... Love Brook English, but even her return was wasted.....and now she's gone.....Seeing Nina/Daisy was fine, but it's was just a day, so again.....sucked to high heaven when they left...TPTB continue to make the wrong decisions... They continue to turn a blind eye & deaf ear to the viewers and look at what has happened...Fans are becoming more & more apathetic towards the show and that is not what TPTB could want or is it...As much as I love Alicia Minshew/Kendall.... I do NOT want her to return to Frons version of what/who Kendall is.......I would rather see the damn show cancelled then watch another round of Kendall playing GL's lap dog, begging forgiveness from the vile green gnat that almost killed both of her children... I have no desire to watch Kendall telling Ryass what a great guy he is or that he's a good dad and continuing the forced contrived BS frienship where Kendall looks as if she has no backbone, brains, or self esteem..I also don't want to see Kendall turned into the new Erica Kane... because she is not Erica...Frons is killing ABC daytime.....and his bosses don't seem to care...It's just really sad....