I also don't see why this would be the beginning of the end for Luke and Noah. It gives the writers a chance to delve into Luke and Noah's characters and how they will deal with this latest crisis. My gosh, if we thought this of every couple on daytime soaps, then there would be no couples left;) I respectfully disagree as well. It's a soap. This is the drama that's been created and I'm intrigued because for once it's not about a couple dealing with a triangle love affair situation. I like the fact that the writers are being creative and causing angst and drama with Luke and Noah without going the same old route.One thing I can say is that Luke and Noah know more about each other than most of the "younger" couples on the show. I liked the fact that Luke hid all that hurt for years and the one person he finally could tell about the deep pain he had been going through was -not Holden, not Lily but the love of his life-Noah. That was extremely telling to me about Luke and Noah's relationship.
I'm not saying it's the beginning of the end forever, but I do expect a breakup. I believe they'll get through it eventually, but I think they'll have some time apart. Their relationship will survive and they'll both (especially Luke) will have grown because of it.
Why does there have to be a break-up?
While I agree it was a good episode and great acting from Van and Jake, I'm disappointed that there will be no more of this storyline this week. The fallout should logically follow the next few episodes, but who knows when they will be on again. The storyline seems so chopped up and rushed. Van's performances are saving it for me.
Yes, Van was perfect and certainly saved this chaotic storyline. And we really need to see the immediate fallout of this episode.
Quote:While I agree it was a good episode and great acting from Van and Jake, I'm disappointed that there will be no more of this storyline this week. The fallout should logically follow the next few episodes, but who knows when they will be on again. The storyline seems so chopped up and rushed. Van's performances are saving it for me. I thought the exact same thing after watching yesterday's episode. To have it end like that and then have to wait an entire week to find out what happens next...it's beyond stupid. Notice how last week, Luke and Noah had that argument in the kitchen after the Halloween party with Noah storming upstairs and then we didn't see him again until yesterday where he was happy and supporting Luke while he was campaigning. We never got to see the follow up to that argument. We don't get to see the Luke and Noah's storyline move from A to B to C. It goes from A to C to E.I can't wait to see how the beginning of the next Nuke episode (whenever the heck it airs) will handle the long layoff from that painful cliffhanger in yesterday's show. It SHOULD be airing today...not next week.
Today's showSage is evil! Sage is a devil child! Carly and Jack should be very worried. I actually felt bad for Noah today. Even though he has lied in the past and got Luke and his whole family to lie, this is something totally different. Luke is not acting like himself. I feel bad for Luke, but he made his own bed.
I didn't feel bad for Noah, not one bit. His smug, self-righteous attitude (totally inappropriate for one with his history) was sickening. And it's way too easy for him to ruin Luke's life. Wanting Luke to come clean is one thing, but SEEING that he gets punished is another. I guess he's forgotten the unwavering loyalty Luke has shown for him time and time again. Apparently it means nothing to this guy. Well, there are plenty of hypocrites in Oakdale. Noah has simply joined the club.And Sage is totally evil. I laughed at that wicked little smile at the end, even though I think she should be paddled within an inch of her life.
See, I think Luke is absolutely acting like himself... like a facet of himself that Noah just hasn't seen. Luke has always had a petulant streak, and as a teen he did have fairly dark impulses. It's only when he came out that they accessorized him with a halo and forgot that he he ever messed up and messed around. I find him reverting to being a brat really compelling and fun -- and it actually makes me side with Noah for once. LOL.That's right, people. Don't have heart attacks or anything. Yes, I'm empathizing with Noah. I'm sure I'll get over it soon. Hee.
You raise something interesting, Mala. What if Luke's dark side is here to stay and this is just the start of Luke's bad boy behavior to get what he wants? As Luke said a few weeks back, he is Lucinda Walsh's grandson (not to mention a Grimaldi) and Lord knows Lily can act out. Could Noah live with that, especially since he's now developed this air of superiority?
I honestly hope the dark streak is here to stay. He's Lucinda's grandson, he's a Grimaldi, and while I may be feeling for Noah right now, if he can't stand who Luke actually IS when the gloves are off, then my sympathy is going to run out pretty quick. Love shouldn't exist in a fluffy vacuum, and if Luke could put up with all of Noah's issues from the past year, then I certainly hope Noah can do the same with Luke's.And, seriously, Allie Gorenc has got Sage's evil smile DOWN. The girl has turned into quite the efficient little bad seed! I'm impressed.
I do believe Sage needs a good butt whipping. And, that is wrong with Soap Opera kids. They didn't get punished for their crimes. How many kids could act like Parker that you all know of? How many times has Sage done something to an adult and not get punished? What happened to JJ? He just disappeared. Is he coming back fully grown now? Noah should have kept his mouth shut. After all, Luke did keep his mouth shut when it came to Ameera and Noah. Noah could have gone to jail himself for deceiving IMMIGRATION. That is alot worse crime than stuffing a college voting box. Done ranting now. Thanks.
Wait so Sage and Parker should get their butts whipped for doing something wrong but Luke should get a free pass? And when called to the dean's office, Noah should lie and cover for Luke? Why??? Isn't that a double standard?
loved that we see the bad boy in Luke. i thnk it was good that Noah had to go to the Dean's office and he didn't just go running to the office to tell on Luke. to me this storyline and Ameera are to differnet. with the Ameera the whole family was in on it, and Noah made a great point right now about Luke.Love that Sage was going bad right now LOL :P this is the frist time in a long time i didn't ff on Libby.
It would be interesting to see a little interview with Allie, about this facet of Sage's personality.
Let's face it, when it comes to whoopings, there needs to be a long, loooong line at the Snyder woodshed. Emma just needs to break off a switch and go to town.
Quote:Emma just needs to break off a switch and go to town. Are there enough tree limbs on the property for this?
Quote:I didn't feel bad for Noah, not one bit. His smug, self-righteous attitude (totally inappropriate for one with his history) was sickening. And it's way too easy for him to ruin Luke's life. Wanting Luke to come clean is one thing, but SEEING that he gets punished is another. I guess he's forgotten the unwavering loyalty Luke has shown for him time and time again. Apparently it means nothing to this guy. Well, there are plenty of hypocrites in Oakdale. Noah has simply joined the club.
And Sage is totally evil. I laughed at that wicked little smile at the end, even though I think she should be paddled within an inch of her life.
I didn't think Noah was smug or self righteous at all. I thought it was breaking his heart that any of this happened at all. Plus we didn't see what he said to the dean so maybe he didn't say anything at all. Even though the whole thing seemed rushed and the writers did not explore Noah's feelings, I thought Jake did a good job of being sympathetic and mad at the same time.
Even though I did not agree with Noah marrying Ameera, in Noah's mind he was doing it to save her from going back to Iraq. In Noah's mind he had no choice. I didn't like it and don't think that storyline was even necessary, but I think Noah had pure reasons to marry Ameera even if he was lying. Luke's reasons are less than pure.
Sometimes you have to use tough love when you see your loved one going down a downward spiral of lies. I think that's what we saw yesterday. I think Noah knows that in the end, Luke would regret what he did. In those Java scenes, it was like Luke was trying to convince himself, not Noah, that what he did was justified. And I think Noah picked up on that. What would've happened if Noah had lied for Luke? They would've had to keep lying and lying and lying. And if you want to compare this to the Ameera storyline, look at what lying about all of that did to their relationship! Luke was the one who taught Noah that being honest is very important. I think it killed Noah when Luke was the one who asked him to lie for him, even when Luke knew all along that Noah didn't approve of what Luke did. I think Noah loves Luke so much that he's even willing to risk their relationship to keep Luke from losing himself.I'm loving this storyline, because it's finally a character driven storyline. It's a true to life conflict. Problems like a psychotic father or a sham marriage are too abstract for me. I can relate better to this story. And just because I think what Luke did was wrong, doesn't mean I stopped loving him. Because didn't Jake say that eventually Luke would realize that asking Noah to lie for him was wrong? I'm looking forward to the rest of this week's episodes. Can't wait for Holden and Lily's reactions.
Quote:And, seriously, Allie Gorenc has got Sage's evil smile DOWN. The girl has turned into quite the efficient little bad seed! I'm impressed. That's exactly what I thought while watching yesterday's show. Sage is definitely Carly's daughter. She's already experienced in scheming and manipulating people. I can't wait until she's a teenager and shows the full power of her Carly genes. The Carly/Sage relationship will be just as dysfunctional as Barbara and Paul a few years back.
After seeing that, I feel sorry for Ethan when he's soras'ed and falls for her.
Like Sage can come between future supercouple Hethan (Hallie and Ethan ).
Nice one MDV !
No, Luke should be punished for crimes as well, but I think Noah shouldn't have said anything. Luke didn't. I think Noah should have said something ask Luke and let the school do a recount. they would find the ballots was stuffed and reprimand Luke for it. Of course, then there wouldn't be a major break up.
i loving the boys storyline so far. Noah didn't know that Luke would be Explaed. and i agree with Mark about this storyline in more charcater driven but still alittle be fast.would love to see a scene of Noah inm the dean's office..
While I get why they didn't show it--a cliffhanger ending--I agree that a scene in the Dean's office with Noah would have been valuable. We got to see that the Dean is a tough customer, yes, but still, I would have preferred to see how hard it was for Noah to tell the truth rather than just having the Dean tell Luke about it (and Noah tell Casey the same thing). Perhaps people who are angry with Noah would better understand the situation he was in.
Well, Noah is doing a lousy job of explaining himself. Saying I love you and that's why I tattled on you really doesn't very far. Nor does it really explain why Noah betrayed Luke. We know because we read the articles all about it... but it's not being articulated on screen. And reading that Luke does come to his senses and apologize to Noah, only to have Noah break up with Luke really doesn't make Noah come off too well. So not only did he go out of his way to ruin Luke's life, insisting he did it for Luke's own good, then he dumps him on top of it. Good going, Mayer!
BTW, nice editorial this week Mala. And I thought what Jake had to say regarding showing happy times was interesting. I also find it interesting he wanted the story to get more into the film festival and gay rights. I honestly don't think viewers would have responded well though since many of them think every L/N story is all about them being gay. Lots of Luke/Noah coverage this week... actually for the past three weeks. They (well, Luke) even made the cover again! Though the cover kinda teases that Luke and Noah are finally gonna kick it, not that Brian sticks his tongue down Luke's throat.
Thanks, AnthonyL! Glad you liked the editorial. We've definitely had a wealth of material to mine in the Luke/Noah/Brian story these past few weeks. It's been fun.
I see you also had another interview with Grayson. You guys must be best buds by now! LOL! I agree with you that the Josie story makes no sense. And I hate that they ended Em/Casey in part, to tell it. I think Casey's current issues might be in a totally different light if he were still with Em.
LOL! When an actor is in the thick of story on a show, it does get a bit BFF-y because we talk so often. Over at B&B, it's all about Rick scheming, so I'm always like, "So, Kyle Lowder, you sick of me yet?" The cast members are great about it, though! They're never like, "Oh, it's YOU again?"
I don't necessarily mind that Em and Casey ended, because I think we all knew they weren't going to get married and spawn wee little Hugheses; I just wish that it wasn't dropped so quickly. They moved Dusty into the Josie story SO fast, and they're just now pulling Emily back into it and treading back over some of the ground of "Well, wait, we were in the middle of something here." It'd be nice to see the same nod given to Casey and Em.
Actually the Dusty/Josie story is the only one I'm finding interesting at this point. If it weren't for that I would probably totally tune out. I'm happy that it has moved Emily away from Dusty as that pairing never made sense after what she did to him.I'm finding Casey/Alison much more fun than Casey/Emily ever were. It was obvious Casey/Emily were only going to be a summer story. Casey wanting to have a baby seemed so out of character.So different strokes.
Quote:Thanks, AnthonyL! Glad you liked the editorial. We've definitely had a wealth of material to mine in the Luke/Noah/Brian story these past few weeks. It's been fun. Is there a chance of seeing any more articles with the story/actors involved in the magazine in the coming weeks?
A pretty good chance, yes! And, yes, WorldTurner, definite different strokes! If we all liked the same things, the world would be dull.
Quote:A pretty good chance, yes!
This is the part where normally, I'd try to work "Take A Chance On Me" by Abba into a post, but I'll send out an SOS and spare you this time. And than you for the strong hint that there may be more of your insight to read about this storyline. I know all the actors involved - Van, Jake, Elizabeth, Larry, Noelle, Jon, etc., are going to do more than justice to this complex storyline, and I hope they're as excited to have this good material to act out as I will be to watch them do so.
Quote:They moved Dusty into the Josie story SO fast, and they're just now pulling Emily back into it and treading back over some of the ground of "Well, wait, we were in the middle of something here." It'd be nice to see the same nod given to Casey and Em. Hi, I'm new around this forum. Been watching ATWT on and off for decades. Trying to stay on right now because I love KMH and MW, but their characters just never get to be happy because they're such misfits. It's kind of sad in a way.I was thrilled when Grayson came back because I felt very shortchanged in the Emily-Dusty department and then POOF! faux Jennifer Ferrin shows up. And Em is left in the dust(y).I really hope she gets her time in this storyline, because there is a strange and wonderful connection between the characters and a nice chemistry between the actors.
Good show today. I thought Elizabeth Hubbard and Van Hansis stole the show. Everyone was really good though. Luke is so sarcastic when drunk. The only thing though it seems like the hug/kiss ban is back for Luke/Noah.
Seeing as though they are broken up for the time being, I would think they wouldn't be hugging/kissing. But Luke will be getting some action from Brian soon.......
Yes, why would you kiss someone you're broken up with? I'd hardly call that a ban. That's just realistic.
I am gong to predict a pivotal day in Oakdale today for a few of my favorite citizens.....I really, really hope the ratings for this week reflect all the interest and all the praise I'm reading for this Luke Noah Lucinda Brian story of late. It's been stellar in my opinion, and the acting by all four has me watching very intently and hoping TPTB will keep writing for them. I'm enjoying ATWT as a whole very, very much right now...
While I think the acting has been excellent, there are also many of us unhappy with some of the twists they are taking and especially what they are doing with Lucinda. She has a lot of fans that are very unhappy with the twist this story is taking, It would have been nice for a woman over 40 to be allowed to have a real romance. So this story is also getting a lot of negative reaction from people looking at it from Lucinda's standpoint.I wish I was enjoying ATWT. The only story I find appealing, Dusty/Josie is about to get trashed next week too. The show is going for too much shock and awe and destroying too many characters. It's way too plot driven. I'll be surprised if it gets out of 7th place any time soon. I find myself using the FF more than I ever have.
Quote:While I think the acting has been excellent, there are also many of us unhappy with some of the twists they are taking and especially what they are doing with Lucinda. She has a lot of fans that are very unhappy with the twist this story is taking, It would have been nice for a woman over 40 to be allowed to have a real romance. So this story is also getting a lot of negative reaction from people looking at it from Lucinda's standpoint.I wish I was enjoying ATWT. The only story I find appealing, Dusty/Josie is about to get trashed next week too. The show is going for too much shock and awe and destroying too many characters. It's way too plot driven. I'll be surprised if it gets out of 7th place any time soon. I find myself using the FF more than I ever have. You know what would be great, if they brought John Dixon back. He could come and make her better and they fall in love all over again. Don't think she has had a guy that was worthy of her since John.
This is kind of twisted, but I laughed today when Tom told Margo,"I'm not gonna keep Daniel from his mom just because she and his brother are on the outs." He said it like his son's mother, mackin' on his other son, is something that happens all the time or something. His no-big-deal delivery of the thought, was quite funny.
Scott Holmes and Ellen Dolan both have that deadpan line delivery down. It cracks me up every time. The whole sequence at the Hughes house was gold because of the awesome Tom/Emily/Margo dynamic. I could watch them go at it all day.
I loved the Tom/Margo/Em stuff. It was gold. The only thing that's bad about it is that Em and Casey are no longer a couple. That's the kind of story that could run for years and years. It's a shame the show cut it short so Em could sniff after Dusty.
So let me get this straight. Noah knows that Luke is getting drunk every night and drinking himself to death, but is saying nothing about it? Why? Plus, nobody at the farm could tell that Luke was drinking except for Luke? Huh?
I can't believe that the ENTIRE Snyder clan didn't notice Luke was wasted.
That was just bad, bad writing. Luke wasn't even really trying to hide it. But since no one noticed, I guess he didn't have to. But it's worse that Noah, who DOES know, has said nothing. Even if Noah didn't know that it could kill him and I don't see how could not, shouldn't he tell someone that Luke is drinking himself into a stupor every night? He said the reason why he couldn't lie about the election was because he loved Luke too much to enable him, so why is he enabling something like this? Even though he may not love Luke anymore, even if he never did, surely he must care enough to not want to see Luke kill himself. It just doesn't make any sense and is clearly being done in the name of story.
Yeah, it was bad writing just so the plot would work. I try to erase moments like that from my memory.
But... I did enjoy the episode. Luke and Noah holding hands, their longing looks. It was great. They were civil towards each other. Much better than all the yelling. Loved seeing all those characters interacting with each other. My favorite moments were Luke and Ethan (such a cute boy!), Noah and Faith (does Faith have a crush on her brother's man? ) and Meg giving Noah a hug.
And the phone calls from Iva, Seth, Ellie and Abigail were great.
A moment for me was the last Dusty/Josie scene. So Dusty gets a lead on where Johnny and Lucy are... but decided to have sex with Josie first?
I agree. If you want to continue following the story, I would recommend just completely ignoring yesterday's episode, because nothing that anyone said or did (or didn't do) made any sense. It's too bad, because I really wanted to enjoy yesterday's Thanksgiving episode and there were some sweet moments (Luke and Noah's hand holding at the dinner table, the phone calls from Emma's kids...), but dumbing down characters for plot related purposes never works. Too bad these writers have yet to learn that.
Quote:A moment for me was the last Dusty/Josie scene. So Dusty gets a lead on where Johnny and Lucy are... but decided to have sex with Josie first? That was a 'eww' moment for me. That Dusty could get turned on by the whole thing.... was just creepy.
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