What do you expect from writers who first pimped Jordi V as a replacement for TK before Zach even was officially dead on screen..and now in a recent TV guide interview, David Kreizman stated that Greenlee was actually Kendall's soul mate, not Zach???? Really? I think he is drinking some of Brian's Frons' kool-aid because I can't think of anyone else on the planet who would agree what that statement.

We have had some really offensive writers in AMC's recent past - but these new ones are totally clueless and suffer from extreme cases of "foot in mouth" disease. If they were looking for ways to TURN OFF viewers and drive them away, honestly they could not do a better job than what they are doing now.

There is not much life to AMC these days but for whatever is left Greenlee and Ryan are sucking the remaining life out of it. I wish someone would get "a hint"...a hint in this case is meaning a huge boulder coming right at you but you still can't see it. It's unbelievable.

It feels like I'm watching A Wonderful Life. I'm watching the part where George Bailey comes back with Clarence the Angel and the town is called Potterville and no one knows George Bailey. Well this town is called Fronsville. No one knows anything except what Frons tells it to know. Zach is Kendall's soulmate.The words came out of her mouth more then once but Frons' puppets have to say one of his pets is her soulmate because that's the only way fans are going to accept Greenlee and that's on the coat tails of Kendall. If Kendall says she's okey dokey, then by cracky she is! Only not!Greenlee is not, never was and never will be the be all and end all of AMC. Her last two returns were dismal failures. And if Frons thinks she has this massive following, I would suggest he look at the ratings for that dreadful show, Skating With the Stars. I'd be ashamed to be seen on it!Greenlee and Ryan both need to be backburnered for a long time. Maybe indefinitely.I really was beginning to tolerate Ryan with Madison. He was becoming more human and had a sense of the old Ryan about him, the carefree con man. Why they put him back with Greenlee is beyond me. Why Greenlee came back is beyond me too. Now that Madison is pregnant as was revealed today,(even though I hate that Ryan has another child coming. He's becoming the Sonny of PV) I hope she makes life miserable for Greenlee, so miserable she leaves town again for good.I don't want AMC cancelled, because I want Thorsten Kaye back as Zach. I don't want Kendall falling for someone else. She needs to find the strength to be a single mother. She has to learn again how to be that scrappy, unafraid of anything young woman who came back to PV eight years ago. She doesn't need a man to define her. Then I want her to question whether Zach is really dead because no body was ever recovered. Frick and Frack never saw the plane crash and have no idea Zach was on that plane. Maybe these mysterious casino partners are involved somehow. Whatever happens, Greenlee and Ryan need not apply for any part in the storyline.

It's not just the fact that the writers referred to the toxic mess of Kenlee as soulmates...What ticks me off even more is Kreizman saying this, "Kendall is "UNFAIRLY" blaming GL"..."Unfair" my backside...I'm sick to death of TPTB promoting crap of Kendall being "UNFAIR" to poor, putupon, perpetual victim GL..Once again, we are being told that GL is the victim and Kendall is being mean to her..I watched the darn show.... I watched GL miserable, return again, and it's no different from the last one...GL comes back ticked off that everyone had the nerve to move on......, She lashes out, does vile things, causes damage to Kendall and her family, but she is not to blame.....GL is the victimKendall & the vile green gnat as friends has never made any freaking sense...Kendall is always made to forgive that thing and take the blame no matter what..It was bad enough when the vile green gnat that sucks the life out of the show almost killed Kendall's children, only to have GL be the victim and Kendall have to beg for forgiveness...Now, here we go again..I knew that Frons would never allow the character of Kendall to be free of the toxic, useless waste he loves so much..Rylee are failing... Ryass & the Vile Green Gnat are hated, so lets use Kendall in an attempt to change that.... It never works and it makes fans hate both Ryass, GL, & Rylee even more..Since AM returned her story has been all about Rylee.....Zach's return and death was all about Rylee...Saying that Kendall will once again take the role of Rylee's lap dog and beg for forgiveness is the Christmas Miracle is BS...Black Christmas, Yes...Christmans Massacre, Yes...Miracle... No freaking way...Once again, GL's crimes go unpunished.... Once again, Kendall must obey.....and once again the show suffers for it...For the life of me I will never understand why they don't get that Rylee suck... They are hated by the masses, whether together or apart.....using Kendall this way won't change that...The reason most of us love characters like Kendall, Zach, Erica, Adam, and even used to love to hate David is because they don't pretend to be victims... They don't pretend to be saints.... They make mistakes, but their our consequences...Ryass, GL..... Never any consequences...Of course, GL won't pay for what she did to Kendall's family.....No, GL didn't kill Zach....but she is the reason this thing started,....Even if it comes out that the bad casino partners blew up the plane, he was there because GL through a temper tantrum, used David as a tool/weapon of mass destruction to get pay back, then kicked him to the curb when he was of no use to her anymore...GL started this mess.......and Kendall shouldn't be used in an attempt to redeem her..I would have keep watching to see KEndall work through her grief, but not now... I've watched 8 years of Kendall being Rylee's lap dog... and years of GL doing vile things only to see Kendall pay..Whoever has a hard on for this ish at AMC needs to be fired and we know that is Frons..Well, good luck Frons.... .You're little pet will be saved for you, but the fan favorite is the one who suffers for it...

Quote:It's not just the fact that the writers referred to the toxic mess of Kenlee as soulmates...What ticks me off even more is Kreizman saying this, "Kendall is "UNFAIRLY" blaming GL"..."Unfair" my backside...I'm sick to death of TPTB promoting crap of Kendall being "UNFAIR" to poor, putupon, perpetual victim GL..Once again, we are being told that GL is the victim and Kendall is being mean to her..I watched the darn show.... I watched GL miserable, return again, and it's no different from the last one...GL comes back ticked off that everyone had the nerve to move on......, She lashes out, does vile things, causes damage to Kendall and her family, but she is not to blame.....GL is the victimKendall & the vile green gnat as friends has never made any freaking sense...Kendall is always made to forgive that thing and take the blame no matter what..It was bad enough when the vile green gnat that sucks the life out of the show almost killed Kendall's children, only to have GL be the victim and Kendall have to beg for forgiveness...Now, here we go again..I knew that Frons would never allow the character of Kendall to be free of the toxic, useless waste he loves so much..Rylee are failing... Ryass & the Vile Green Gnat are hated, so lets use Kendall in an attempt to change that.... It never works and it makes fans hate both Ryass, GL, & Rylee even more..Since AM returned her story has been all about Rylee.....Zach's return and death was all about Rylee...Saying that Kendall will once again take the role of Rylee's lap dog and beg for forgiveness is the Christmas Miracle is BS...Black Christmas, Yes...Christmans Massacre, Yes...Miracle... No freaking way...Once again, GL's crimes go unpunished.... Once again, Kendall must obey.....and once again the show suffers for it...For the life of me I will never understand why they don't get that Rylee suck... They are hated by the masses, whether together or apart.....using Kendall this way won't change that...The reason most of us love characters like Kendall, Zach, Erica, Adam, and even used to love to hate David is because they don't pretend to be victims... They don't pretend to be saints.... They make mistakes, but their our consequences...Ryass, GL..... Never any consequences...Of course, GL won't pay for what she did to Kendall's family.....No, GL didn't kill Zach....but she is the reason this thing started,....Even if it comes out that the bad casino partners blew up the plane, he was there because GL through a temper tantrum, used David as a tool/weapon of mass destruction to get pay back, then kicked him to the curb when he was of no use to her anymore...GL started this mess.......and Kendall shouldn't be used in an attempt to redeem her..I would have keep watching to see KEndall work through her grief, but not now... I've watched 8 years of Kendall being Rylee's lap dog... and years of GL doing vile things only to see Kendall pay..Whoever has a hard on for this ish at AMC needs to be fired and we know that is Frons..Well, good luck Frons.... .You're little pet will be saved for you, but the fan favorite is the one who suffers for it... You can go on and on about Greenlee and her crimes and not paying for them going all the way back to pushing Laura off the yacht. I think that's attempted murder, but here she is free as a bird because she never paid for that. Until the HW's and Frons get a clue about this character and make her pay, really pay, with jail time and some self awareness about her behaviors, her superficialility, her take, take and take attitiude in this so called friendship with Kendall she is never going to be accepted or looked upon as a victim in anything.She's a troublemaker pure and simple and needs to get what's coming to her. She is no vidtim, she is the perpertrator. It's getting old and tiresome. And what is more aggravating is like you said, we watched this show. We know what she did. We saw it happen. I heard her motivations, she wanted revenge, pure and simple. She needs to grovel to everyone she hurt especially Kendall and her fatherless boys.... and the writers need to get some cajones and tell Frons to stop trying to be a writer. People, characters commit crimes. There are consequences and those consequences should not be paid by the victims.

I just saw the promo for the so-called Christmas miracle and I just about hurled...It's not about Kendall....It's about GL...GL wants her BFF back and Maddie out of the way.....It shows Kendall saying she is sorry to GL....Kendall saying she's sorry...Sorry for freaking what!!!Sorry that her grieving the loss of her husband, soulmate, father of her children was at an inappropriate time for that vile green gnat...Sorry that Rylee wouldn't respect her wishes to leave her alone..I'm sick to death of seeing Kendall apologize to that vile green viscious witch only to get crapped on a few weeks later...What ticks me off even more is this..We watched time & again Rylee supposedly suffering for months on end..We watched Ryass going after Zach, blaming him for that witches death, taking everything he had, including Kendall for months on end and that was okay...We watched GL stomp, scream, threaten, destory, almost kill Erica, and be indirectly responsible for Zach's death....Months this went on...But Kendall grieving for weeks is way too long......Kendall isn't allowed to stay mad at the gruesome twosome,.....it's inconvienent, it's irrational...GMAFB...Well, lots of people are commenting all over the place and it isn't in a good way...Bah Humbug....Mr. Frons........ take your agenda & your show & shove it...

Greenlee is an obnoxious, overbearing insufferable b**tch that needs to be knocked on her everloving a$$. This character and her cohort Ryass have sucked the air out of this show like a new Hoover.I like Madison and I like the fact she is pregnant (wish it was Frankie's though then the hair model Randi could take off for Italy's Top Model competition then hook up with some foppish gigolo on the Mediterranean. Their shallowness will complement each other. Back to Madison, I hope Madison shoves her pregnancy right in Greenlee's face with a NAH! NAH! Na Nah Nah! see what I can do that you can't? See how stupid this show has made me?Yes I have great sympathy for women who cannot get pregnant ( I have five kids I could sell one) However, Greenlee is not a character that evokes any amount of sympathy regardless of her plight, it usually makes you cheer she cannot have it or do It's difficult to care about a character that treats everyone as though they are not as good as she or are not even worthy of an acknowledgement of their existence . Everyone's happiness must be dependent on whether or not they love Greenlee. Kendall will not be happy or be able to accept her husband's death until she forgives the vile green bile that masquerades as her friend.It's time the writers thumb their noses at Frons and write Greenlee and Ryan as the characters they were meant to be, and that is secondary characters to the leads who disappear into the woodwork when the time comes. They are not LEADS. The only miracle I want is Thorsten Kaye back and if I'm not being too greedy, I want Frons and Carruthers gone.

Cararn, ITA...... Quote: It's difficult to care about a character that treats everyone as though they are not as good as she or are not even worthy of an acknowledgement of their existence . Cararn, these kinds of characters are the villians of the show.... The vile green gnat is a villian....a really bad villian, but villian all the same..The problem is that TPTB continue to attempt to write her as a heroine in need of saving.....after all the vile, repulsive misdeeds she has committed and continue to paint her the victim of her victims..... and it doesn't work..Not to mention, no offense to anyone, but RB can't do sympathetic..... She does Biotch well, but the writing & the delivery leaves no room for sympathy...Make her the really bad villian..... Make her pay for her crimes...... Stop pushing the misunderstood, just wanting love, good at heart crap, because GL is not a character who has a heart... Quote: Everyone's happiness must be dependent on whether or not they love Greenlee. Kendall will not be happy or be able to accept her husband's death until she forgives the vile green bile that masquerades as her friend. This is whats pissing everyone off...Everyone must worship Rylee, Ryass, GL..Kendall apologizing to the vile green gnat isn't making any fan happy...I've seen even GL fans getting upset at this....The gruesome twosome are not characters who have staying power... They are NOT lead characters....they can't carry a story, unless others have to prop/pimp them.... How many characters have been damaged for those two????/ Until Frons gets it, this is what we get, and it's killing AMCThe ratings for Black X-Mas will be low.... Mark my words and after that they will continue to drop..... Many have already decided to stop watching, because this isn't what they want to watch...Once again, Rylee get a free pass... Once again, Kendall is being used to prop themOnce again, fans are ticked off and the ratings will prove that...Bad decision making, bad writing, & Rylee are a big problem with this show....that won't change until Frons is gone.....Unfortunately, by that time the fans will be gone and so will the show...

Today's laugh line of the day...Greenlee to Ryan: "It's ok to be selfish once in a while". I just about fell off my couch with that one.

But honestly, regarding today's episode..Greenlee finally get the "love of her life" the person she is meant to be with..and then you lie to his face about what you were talking to Madison about and then you want to keep the fact that Madison is having his baby a secret even though you know the truth. I guess she doesn't have as much faith in Ryan as the writers would like us to believe. So much for having a honest mature relationship.

However, this fits right in with Ryan. He is never happy with anyone he has for more than two minutes and then he is off to find someone else to rescue. I predict Ryan will be moving on from Greenlee before you know it. He only loves people he can't have...so this will give him the excuse to move on - and still be righteous about it at the same time.

The show is a bloody mess. I have liked Lindsay Hartley in other soaps but she is over-acting like crazy here. No one should have to go so overboard to be that cute and adorable.

Jordi - well sorry, the man simply cannot act and Griffin has the personality of a piece of furniture. He may have won an Emmy as younger actor a few years ago because he showed promise - but IMO he hasn't grown and matured as one would hope from an Emmy winner. He either over-acts or mumbles..neither one is appealing.

How many doctors (Jake) do you see in a passionate embrace with his wife in the hospital corridor? Is this supposed to be a professional atmosphere.

Does the reverend have any other people to help? There are enough screwed up people in Pine Valley but he is acting like Kendall is the only one with problems. Maybe someone should introduce him to Greenlee, Ryan, Annie, Griffin, JR and any number of people who could use some advice. How many times a day are you allowed to show up on one person's doorstep??

This show is being written for 7 year-olds. Who needs to watch - the writers agenda is being hit over the viewers head day after day. Just what we needed - another connect the dots writing team that believes they need to tell me what to feel as if I don't have a brain. UGH.

Alicia Minshew is in a league of her own here. She rises above her material and makes me believe what she is going through. Great job as always.

Quote:Today's laugh line of the day...Greenlee to Ryan: "It's ok to be selfish once in a while". I just about fell off my couch with that one.But honestly, regarding today's episode..Greenlee finally get the "love of her life" the person she is meant to be with..and then you lie to his face about what you were talking to Madison about and then you want to keep the fact that Madison is having his baby a secret even though you know the truth. I guess she doesn't have as much faith in Ryan as the writers would like us to believe. So much for having a honest mature relationship.However, this fits right in with Ryan. He is never happy with anyone he has for more than two minutes and then he is off to find someone else to rescue. I predict Ryan will be moving on from Greenlee before you know it. He only loves people he can't have...so this will give him the excuse to move on - and still be righteous about it at the same time.The show is a bloody mess. I have liked Lindsay Hartley in other soaps but she is over-acting like crazy here. No one should have to go so overboard to be that cute and adorable. Jordi - well sorry, the man simply cannot act and Griffin has the personality of a piece of furniture. He may have won an Emmy as younger actor a few years ago because he showed promise - but IMO he hasn't grown and matured as one would hope from an Emmy winner. He either over-acts or mumbles..neither one is appealing.How many doctors (Jake) do you see in a passionate embrace with his wife in the hospital corridor? Is this supposed to be a professional atmosphere.Does the reverend have any other people to help? There are enough screwed up people in Pine Valley but he is acting like Kendall is the only one with problems. Maybe someone should introduce him to Greenlee, Ryan, Annie, Griffin, JR and any number of people who could use some advice. How many times a day are you allowed to show up on one person's doorstep??This show is being written for 7 year-olds. Who needs to watch - the writers agenda is being hit over the viewers head day after day. Just what we needed - another connect the dots writing team that believes they need to tell me what to feel as if I don't have a brain. UGH.Alicia Minshew is in a league of her own here. She rises above her material and makes me believe what she is going through. Great job as always. YES! YES! and YES!Greenlee's expiration date has come and gone. She needs to go. Her interaction with Madison today was vile, just vile!Sorry but I'm not familiar with Lindsay Hartley and all I can say is she needs to tone it down several pegs. She reminds me of Julie Pinson when she was on Port Charles, awful, just awful.This Jordi person, first I've seen him and I am not impressed either with the character or the actor.When will AMC get a clue and realize Ryan and Greenlee are not LEADS? They are at best second string characters. For Greenlee to be a heroine she needs a heart, some humility, grit,and sometimes impossibly torn between passion and propriety. Greenlee is none of these things. She's just cruel, cold, selfish and completely unlikable. She's not the poor little rich girl, she's Cruella Deville. Don't writers know how to write protagonists? This isn't Greenlee. UGH! She's killing the show.

Kathy, great post...ITA.....I almost choked hearing "It's ok to be selfish once in awhile" coming out of the mouths of the two most selfish, self-absorbed idiots in PV...Let me get this straight.... It's okay for Rylee to infest others lives, shove thier dramas onto others, but no one is allowed to do it to them..How inconvienent for Zach to die and Kendall grieve her soulmate when Rylee have found thier way back to each other...How inconvienent for Erica to go on trail at a time when Rylee want to be happy...How awful of Maddie to have believed Ryan's lies about wanting a life with her and end up pregnant after he dumped her like yesterdays trash for the thing that almost killed his son, causing his son to be deaf....Selfish, Self-Absorbed, Succubus: Thy Name is Rylee...Someone else brought this up on another board and it brought out the anger in fans...The only characters/couple in PV that will have a Merry Christmas and get what they want is Rylee...Kendall will apologize to GL & Ryass for grieving her soulmate, love of her life, father of her kids....How dare she blame them... just because GL set this into motion with her revenge schemes all because no one died when they thought she did....The 2 most useless characters in daytime history... The most vomit inducing couple get the happy christmas, but others suffer...At least, I won't be watching this trainwreck...Alicia Minshew will rock in her scenes, but who the hell really wants to watch another round of Kendall apologizing to the thing who wrecked her life, taking the blame, while Rylee stand smugly in front of her, allowing her to beg for forgivness...No one wants to see that....and very few will...